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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2014.07.29 14:48:00 -
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The sentries have to go on the Ishtar. Its sad to say but it gives the Ishtar way too much range and flexibility.
Rebalance it to not be a sentry boat. I've suggested it before and I'll suggest it again.
Change heavy drone bandwidth from 25 to 20
Change the ishtar, navy vexor bandwidth from 125 to 100.
You now have a nitch for the Ishtar, (heavy drone operations ship), the navy vexor, stratios and the myrmidon functions better as they now have an option to launch a full flight of drones that are not sentries, but also are not some mismatch set of drones that the myrmidon, vexor and prophecy currently run.
Basically you don't make the damage of ishtars instantaneous, and you also create a better chase sequence for when they run
Change heavy drones to 20 bandwidth each
Reduce bandwidth on Ishtar and vexor navy to 100.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:05:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:The sentries have to go on the Ishtar. Its sad to say but it gives the Ishtar way too much range and flexibility.
Rebalance it to not be a sentry boat. I've suggested it before and I'll suggest it again.
Change heavy drone bandwidth from 25 to 20
Change the ishtar, navy vexor bandwidth from 125 to 100.
You now have a nitch for the Ishtar, (heavy drone operations ship), the navy vexor, stratios and the myrmidon functions better as they now have an option to launch a full flight of drones that are not sentries, but also are not some mismatch set of drones that the myrmidon, vexor and prophecy currently run.
Basically you don't make the damage of ishtars instantaneous, and you also create a better chase sequence for when they run
Change heavy drones to 20 bandwidth each
Reduce bandwidth on Ishtar and vexor navy to 100.
And what would be the bonuses for the ishtar? Then you need to find new bonuses to replace the sentry ones.. The ishtar is a ship very hard to balance. At the end.. the final solution for this and the correlated problem would be to nerf ALL sentry drones tracking by some 30%.
What of the bonuses on the Ishtar if such a change happens, you change them.
It's more than just tracking on sentries. They should have never been deployable on a cruiser platform. Nerf the quantity (from 5 to 4). That is a drop of 20% of its damage, but it keeps its projection and range. You can still do the stupid stuff ishtars can currently do, especially if in gangs of 40 to 50.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:52:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Sentry drones have enormous downsides. They can be killed like other drones AND they don't return to your ship. There's a reason they were never used at all until assist + these tracking/optimal bonuses came along.
So there abandoned and a second set is launched.
Then abandoned and a 3rd set is launched :-/
You are trying to make an argument for keeping sentry drones on a cruiser.
They should have never been available for them as a full set in the first place. People cried when the stratios lost its ability to launch a full flight of sentry drones also. Sentry drones are oversized for the cruiser hulls they are used in.
Light drones are your frigate drones
Light/Medium your cruiser
Medium/Heavy your battlecruiser
Heavy/Sentries your battleship
There is some flexibility inbetween ranks but sentry drones are too large of a weapon platform to fit a full flight and say they are balanced in the cruiser platform area.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2014.07.29 17:33:00 -
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Sentry guns should not be readily deployable in a cruiser sized hull. This isn't a issue of variety or flexibility. If it was CCP would be looking at all those ewar drones nobody uses.
There are more than just ECM drones, there are target painter drones, webber drones, neuting drones, sensor dampening drones. A huge variety that is not used in the least by anybody in the community.
Don't use variety and flexibility as an argument for drone Ishtar balance when over half the drones in eve aren't even considered even remotely viable in any sense of the word by anybody for any reason in any situation.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2014.07.30 11:46:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Rab See wrote:The one interesting thing in all of this is 'why Tempest'? Why did they stuff this thread with something that has nothing to do with HAC. Shows its truly crap.
Terrible DPS, 'tankless'. Its been picked out in a discussion for Heavy Assault Cruisers. Its polluting the discussion. CCP - please stop this now. It deserves a proper fix, not a half arsed mashup because the real issue for this thread is Ishtar/Sentries.
When thread was posted the tittle was different. It was HACs AND bttleships, but rise edited it later. Yes temepst discussion belongs here because its the 100th time that ccp is trying to dodge the need to fix it. Ishtar sentries issues is even less deservignof this thread, because as everyoen knows the problem is not on the ishtar but on sentries when coupled to any tracking or range bonus.
.. its the Ishtar and the sentries that are the problem. You could nerf tracking, but people will just counter it with more tracking mod's.
Drop the bandwidth to 100, drop the heavy bandwidth to 20, move the ishtars sentry tracking bonus to 5%. The Ishtar loses 20% of its straight out sentry damage (as it loses 1 sentry), but keeps all of its damage potential when using Heavy Drones (as it can still deploy 5 heavies with the heavy drone change). It can be used as a ranged platform still, except its damage potential is reduced when using sentries vs its damage potential when using heavies (aka, your ranged snipers (sentries at 40km+) will do less damage than your brawling close up ships (10km)).
Its a cruiser. Yes it is a HAC but it is still a cruiser.
Yes it this is a nerf but the ship is still viable for pvp, and pve, its just no longer using a full complement of battleship grade weaponry.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:44:00 -
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Fredric Wolf wrote:The more I hear it the more I like the idea of just changing the bandwidth of Heavys to 20mb and lowering the bandwidth of ishtars to 100 as well as the Navy Vexor. This would be a slight buff also to Myrms as they would not be able to field a full flight of heavy drones.
It's not just the myrmidon that would benefit if such a change happens.
Vexor/prophecy would be able to field 3 heavies, a medium and a light
Vexor navy would be able to field 5 heavies (if it was also reduced to 100 bandwidth)
Proteus would be able to field 5 heavies in its drone configuration
Myrmidon would be able to field 5 heavies
It is a buff to the potential damage of the vexor, prophecy, proteus and myrmidon ( though suffers from no heavy drone speed or tracking bonuses) and a nerf to the vexor navy (if used as a sentry boat, but no nerf is used as a heavy droneboat), and the Ishtar (as it would lose 20% of its sentry damage, but lose none of its damage if using heavy drones).
Its a tactical nerf to the sentry setup on cruisers, but keeps its exact potential when using heavy drones. It is also a buff to some drone ships and basic drone fitting functionality..
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2014.07.31 17:33:00 -
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Bandwidth of Ishtar and vexor navy to 100
Bandwidth of heavy drones to 20.
You've reduced Ishtar dps by 20 % with sentries but keep its dps with heavies
Still viable to use either heavies or sentries
Vexor, prophecy, myrmidon all get improved dps projection due to their drone change load out (vexor/prophecy are now 3/1/1 heavy/med/light. Myrmidon can flight full 5 heavies. Stratios has the option for full flight of heavies.
Proteus drone configuration now viable as it could now fly a full flight of heavies.
It is not a small change, but it is a thorough one.
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